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Old 07-14-2017, 06:15 PM
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Um, as economic downturn in the Ukraine progresses and as hopes of the Ukraine joining the EU have been all but dashed, there is a growing sentiment for separation of West parts of the country and joining the EU as a separate state.
I'm sorry, but this is totally nuts.
It could have happened in 2013-2014 if initial russian plans to invade Southern and Eastern regions of Ukraine - Kharkiv, Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson, Zaporizia, Dnipro, Nikolaev and Odessa - were successful. After that, having all the Ukrainian industry that is much needed for their further plans, russians could have let go the bloody remains of our state.

They were nearly successful in my own city of Kharkiv. City government was seized already, police scattered and army far outside. They had "elected" their new mayor and prepared a "referendum", just like a Crimea.
Successful assault of spec.ops. police squad from the central Ukraine put an end to these efforts, and, luckily for us, russians decided not to send their AF through the border openly - though they kept ~30000 army, including MRLSes ready near Belgorod, just around the border.
Living within range of GRAD was quite an interesting experience in the spring 2014.

But now, with Westerners being the driving force of Ukrainian patriotic movement, talking about separation is just not right.
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Old 07-14-2017, 06:51 PM
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Regarding the Crimea bull************, I tell you guys this.
Most of the people there didn't really care. There were some russian fanatics in Sevastopol, the retirement place for russian navy since SU days, but mostly people didn't care.
And if you don't care, it makes little sense to vote for Ukraine under supervision of "unknown" armed men in green military uniform.
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Old 07-15-2017, 11:52 AM
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Don't twist facts!

Bulgaria GDP, current prices, billion $US
1989 44.8
1991 1.9

https://knoema.com/tbocwag/gdp-by-co...untry=Bulgaria

We have a national television owned by a group from Scandinavia. They don't broadcast their main channel in FullHD, and the sports channels which are in HD, have studios before and after the events in SD...
Forget about 4K from them till perhaps 2025, if we are lucky...

I can predict the UK GDP for 2020. It will be 5% - max 10% higher than it is in 2017
I did not intentionally twist facts, my source simply doesn't show the 1991 GDP at 2:


Context is important. I used as a source the World bank data. It does show a 50% drop 1990-1991. But neither in Current US$ nor PPP or other measures does it show a drop by 90%. It could be that a temporal devaluation of the local currency had a bigger influence in your data than with normalized USD.
Because, if you look at the second column of your data (GDP, current PPP dollars), there is a significant drop, but not as big.

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/...=BG&view=chart

So, it is the EU's fault, when a private cooperation isn't providing you with FullHD, let alone 4K or 8K? It took ages in Germany for the broadcasters to switch to HD. 4K? In your dreams - unless you pay through the nose for SKY.
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Old 07-15-2017, 06:41 PM
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LOL! ... ROTF!

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2003: 20
2008: 55


3.) between 2002 and 2008 the GDP more than tripled to 55 Billion USD
Those numbers are artificial, most of this fiat growth is just internal manpower cost inflation that is internaly compensated.

Baker sell 10kg of bread to the butcher in exchange of 1kg of meat, they can increase their salary as much as they want, at the end standard of life is unchanged.
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Old 07-16-2017, 01:08 AM
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So, it is the EU's fault, when a private cooperation isn't providing you with FullHD, let alone 4K or 8K? It took ages in Germany for the broadcasters to switch to HD. 4K? In your dreams - unless you pay through the nose for SKY.
In the particular case, it's the fault of some people outside the country, who are also EU members. Modern Times Group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Times_Group

The good things are 2:
1. We have three national televisions, and guess what, the other two migrated to HD signal several years ago;
2. Modern Times Group know that they have failed to deliver in our country and are leaving. For everyone's good.

We have at least one very popular television in 4K and the purpose of the new satellite is exactly that. The 4K service will be developed and will be developed soon.
We don't need any Sky and other aliens...
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Old 07-16-2017, 05:38 AM
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In the particular case, it's the fault of some people outside the country, who are also EU members. Modern Times Group.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Times_Group
Evil foreigners! Guilty by association... *shaking head*
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Old 07-16-2017, 05:54 AM
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Those numbers are artificial, most of this fiat growth is just internal manpower cost inflation that is internaly compensated.

Baker sell 10kg of bread to the butcher in exchange of 1kg of meat, they can increase their salary as much as they want, at the end standard of life is unchanged.
That is way oversimplified. We can discuss, wether GDP reflects 100% of the local development, but it does provide a certain comparative benchmark, even if flawed.

Your analogy would reflect no difference in living standards between the dark ages and the present - as long as 10kg bread equals 1kg meat (never mind what kind of bread or meat).
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:12 AM
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Evil foreigners! Guilty by association... *shaking head*
Jerks, and the criticism from the public is something that I would have listened, if I had been on their places.
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Old 07-17-2017, 02:26 AM
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Jerks, and the criticism from the public is something that I would have listened, if I had been on their places.
You are missing the crucial point! Instead of blaming (quite rightly) a private cooperation for obviously failing in it's business, you blamed the EU - with the reasoning "they are foreigners, their country is a member of the EU, therefore the EU is to blame". That is what you explicitly did.

I was trying to use sarcasm to subtly point out the fallacy of this kind of reasoning.

Btw. guilt of association cuts both ways. One individual steals an apple. Because he's Bulgarian, all Bulgarians are thieves! Which is not true.
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Old 07-17-2017, 08:13 PM
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Btw. guilt of association cuts both ways. One individual steals an apple. Because he's Bulgarian, all Bulgarians are thieves! Which is not true.
If he is a Bulgarian in a society made primarily of non-Bulgarians, he becomes an ambassador for Bulgarians. Everything that he does will reflect on the society's views on Bulgarians. That doesn't mean that all Bulgarians will automatically be assumed guilty if one of them steals, but people will expect Bulgarians to steal. Coupled with confirmation bias, this is a very dangerous thing which can lead to scapegoating, racist riots, etc.
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