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Awful dumb Socialists! Get with the program. Apply your own brain. Not the Manchester Guardian's. Good as it is for cooking recipes.

I just enjoy bombarding you people with FACTS. In 1640 Britain was as comparatively as warm as it is today. In 1750 or so, we had frost fairs on the frozen Thames river. In Roman times, they grew grapes in the currently frozen north of Yorkshire. Never mind the tropical Hippos and Giraffes which used to stump around Surrey 50,000 years ago.

We have lived through the awful Japanese Fukashima Tsunami nuclear disaster. ABSOLUTELY NO-ONE knows what to do with Nuclear Waste. It was just stacked up in barrels around the site. Then we are told by the awful EU we must build wind-turbines on every available hill. Well, read my lips. We may have burnt most of Planet Earth's available Oil, but we have loads of Oil-Shale and Fracking gas available.

These idiots want us to pay twice as much for energy than we need to. So we can bask (or more likely, FREEZE) in the warm glow of Social responsibility.

I go for the cheapest oil and gas myself. It makes sense to me, and doesn't breed two-headed radioactive sheep.

What are the three pillars of Western Capitalism? Built-in obsolescence, debt and military spending. So far, so good.
What an off-topic rant. There's undeniably global warming: temperatures are getting higher. I never talked about the reasons or if it was in any way related to us burning oil or coal.
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Average salary is something comparable among states, industries etc. even if everyone knows that only minority gets above average salary.
If low paid worker - janitor gets 20.000/yr in Alabama, in Middle Europe gets usually 6-7.000/yr, in poorest states of EU gets 3.000/yr. Amazingly comparable to average salary. Is 20.000/yr right salary? Or 3.000/yr? That doesn't depend on my judgment. What could I take from that? Study hard, work hard to be more valuable to others - to become higher salary, then you can share more wealth with people who doesn't have as much luck as you or as me.

I have no problem with it. Everybody seeks its own profit.
So we went from $50,000 -> $20,000. That still isn't correct as the lowest legally they are allowed to pay is $15,080 gross. After taxes take home is $13,458.38; this amount does not include any healthcare what so ever. This also only applies to a worker who is single. Married with kids would likely be on some form of welfare with that wage.

I wasn't looking to start any kind of argument. I am merely pointing out how disingenuous it was to say everyone made $50,000 USD at that plant.
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I wasn't looking to start any kind of argument. I am merely pointing out how disingenuous it was to say everyone made $50,000 USD at that plant.
I am not sure who made a claim that everyone made $50,000 USD at that plant.

@GeorgiD: You think that employers take too much from salary of their employees. I think, that you have found reasonable business model. You could employ people and give them higher salary than your competition. In the long run you will have satisfied work force and make more profit than those who can't think one month ahead.
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I am not sure who made a claim that everyone made $50,000 USD at that plant.

@GeorgiD: You think that employers take too much from salary of their employees. I think, that you have found reasonable business model. You could employ people and give them higher salary than your competition. In the long run you will have satisfied work force and make more profit than those who can't think one month ahead.
This. According to some people, employers don't do that because they're assholes, not because of any sound business sense.

Same applies to "30% gender wage gap" -- you'd think there would be a woman smart enough to start a business, employ women, pay them the same salaries that men are paid at other companies and enforce a strict no sexism rule. If the wage gap is true, they'd easily attract the best women in the industry with the salary incentive and great atmosphere at work.
Somehow that business model took off nowhere never.
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A female-dominated business can be successful in very specific areas where men are not required.
Honestly, I have no idea what you are talking about, neither do I understand why women should take less when working in a office, for example.

But women tennis players should be rewarded less because their matches are much shorter and the quality of their game is lower.

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This. According to some people, employers don't do that because they're assholes, not because of any sound business sense.
Single bottom line means that these employers are strictly profit-oriented. They cut from all possible costs, including the remuneration for their valuable employees.
If they don't want to be called egoists or assholes (they behave like fascists because for them an employee is no one) for that matter, they must shift to more modern and progressive types of management, like 3P - People. Planet. Profit.
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Well, about the wage gap, there is no wage gap when you account for all factors. Plain and simple. In the office where I work, women tend to be paid more than men on the same position because women also tend to stay at a job for longer, thus accruing raises, benefits and bonuses.

As for running a business where you pay a higher salary than the job market average, you have to ask why nobody does that. I mean, people on forums, economy theorists, and many other people are all saying that it is perfect business sense, why isn't there a single businessman causing upheaval by following these principles?
Let me answer: Because in practice, it does not work.
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Well, about the wage gap, there is no wage gap when you account for all factors. Plain and simple. In the office where I work, women tend to be paid more than men on the same position because women also tend to stay at a job for longer, thus accruing raises, benefits and bonuses.
What do you mean again, how are women allowed to stay at a job longer? Why? And what about pregnancies?

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As for running a business where you pay a higher salary than the job market average, you have to ask why nobody does that. I mean, people on forums, economy theorists, and many other people are all saying that it is perfect business sense, why isn't there a single businessman causing upheaval by following these principles?
Let me answer: Because in practice, it does not work.
It isn't true that no one does this and second - how do you know that it doesn't work? Why wouldn't it work?
Smaller firms with less money are forced to pay more to their workers than those bigger companies with hundreds of workers...
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I seem to remember noticing that average wages in "Sweet Home Alabama" were cheaper than China years ago.

Which means in the uncaring Capitalist World, that factories would emigrate there....

And so it turns out. South Korean car-manufacturers have moved there and employed trailer-trash US people. With awful and shocking lapses in Health and Safety. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...-crushed-limbs

You might as well live in Mexico or Foxconn City, China as Alabama for the dubious benefits. It wasn't always thus so: https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Mockingb.../dp/0446310786

See, in a World that will sell it's soul for a quick buck, my own view is we have to get back to Local. It's about people you care about. It's about what you see out of your own window. It's about doing a bit of work in your own garden. It's about reading beyond the accepted view of, say the "Safety" of nuclear power (as if!) and the wisdom of paying twice as much for your heating because it is "Green".

It's increasingly a Dog eats Dog World. Well, it always has been. But we are heading towards a predictable crisis of numbers right now. I just keep the Faith: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...+1&version=KJV
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